The Ultimate 1911 and 2011 Extractor Tuning Video from Atlas Gunworks
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– [Adam] Hey everybody,
Adam from Atlas Gunworks.

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We’re gonna talk a little
bit about extractors today.

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Primarily we’re talking
about 9mm and 40 cal mods,

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45 ACP, slightly different story there,

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but generically what we’re
gonna talk about holds true.

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So the extractors come in
two varieties basically.

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There’s the old version,
the original version

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is a spring steel that’s
supposed to be here

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and then the newer versions,
most of them are made

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out of tool steel, and the
spring steel is much stiffer

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and holds its position a
lot better, a lot longer

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but nobody’s really
making ’em in 9mm anymore.

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So there’s some battles here
on keeping the two adjusted.

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So ideally, in a perfect world,

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we run spring steel.

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This is an Aftec.

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It’s the only spring steel
type extractor on the market.

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It has some other features
with these springs

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that are a little bit less important

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but I’ll show you at the
end how to adjust that.

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You’ll see it’s early 2019
you’ll see us come out,

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Atlas Gunworks, with a 9mm
spring steel extractor.

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Hopefully before the end of 2019,

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we’re working hard on that right now.

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And that should add a bunch
of reliability to the platform

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especially in the nine major guns.

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We used to use this one exclusively,

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so I’ll show you how to
adjust this one at the end.

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We don’t use it anymore

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’cause we’ve had some problems with ’em.

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And the new style, or the newer style,

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which almost everyone, if
you bought any generic,

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everyone I think except this one runs,

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they’re just running tool steel

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so it’d be made out of the same
material as the slide 4140.

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I’ll actually show you
how to tension test this

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before I tear it apart and
show you how to adjust the two.

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Both of these are service items.

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They’re both gonna need
some adjustment over time.

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These are not something that you can set

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and then forget it for 10
years or 100,000 rounds.

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Remember that this part when
it sits in here is moving,

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so the case is coming up underneath that

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and that’s flexing out every time,

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and that movement will eventually
reset somewhere different

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than it was at some point

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and it’ll need a little adjustment.

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So the extractor tension test,

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which we’ve got some other videos on,

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but this one’s super important.

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So anytime that I tear down a 1911,

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I’m gonna do a quick
extractor tension test.

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Take a round, preferably one
that’s not super beat up.

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We don’t have any of those around here

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but we’re gonna slide it like
it’s coming out of the mag

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from underneath the breech face.

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So I’m gonna come up underneath
flat and then slide it up.

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I’m gonna hold it directly in the center

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where it’s gonna be lined
up with the firing pinhole,

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so that’s where it’s
gonna get when it held.

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So remember this case
is gonna go in the gun.

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It’s got the barrel’s gonna come,

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it’s gonna come up into
the barrel, be fired,

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and then we need the extractor
to yank the case out.

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So the extractors have
a little hook on them

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and they’re gonna pull on the case.

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The tension left and right
here needs to be correct.

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There’s a window where it operates.

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If you’re too tight, when
the case comes up like this

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from the mag, it’ll pinch it like that

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and you’ll actually see
what’ll happen is it’ll pinch

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like this and you’ll see
the bullet kind of tip up

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and stovepipe up usually right up

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into the top of the barrel.

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So that’s too tight.

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If it’s too loose, you’ll
slide this up here on the tass

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and it’ll fall right out.

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So the tass matters a little bit

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which extractor style I have.

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On the older ones, I need
a little bit less tension

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than on the new ones.

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So on the new ones, I wanna
put it on the breech face

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just like I have it

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and I’m gonna shake super hard

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and if after six or seven
hard shakes it comes off,

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that’s okay.

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If it comes off before that,

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we probably need to add a little tension.

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When we’re doing it with the old style,

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we probably are good if it stays on

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for four or five shakes, let’s say.

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That’s not super accurate,
you know, the different shakes

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but it gives you an idea.

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If you slide this case up
here and it falls right out,

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then we know that we have normal zero

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or zero extractor
tension, that’s a problem.

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So remember that with both of
these it’s a moving target.

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As you shoot this gun, if you
shoot a high pressure round

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or as debris builds up in this tunnel,

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it’s gonna affect how these move

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so they do require adjustment over time.

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It’s a serviceable part, we’ll say that.

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So on the tool steel extractors,

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what we’re running in the current guns,

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so that’s anything made
by Wilson and Brown,

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Brownells, any of the basic ones,

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pretty much every one
except the Aftec and 9mm.

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Again this is biased
towards nine and 45 ACP.

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The adjustment for this is much simpler,

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that’s the cool part.

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So take your extractor out.

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It’s pivoting off this hump, right?

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And they both have a hump in ’em,

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they’re just kinda different

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but this hump is touching the
back end of the tunnel here

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and then the hook’s coming in from there.

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So this is our pivot point,
this area right here.

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So what we’re gonna do is

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we’re gonna use this part
of this slide right here,

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I’ll try to hold this so you can see.

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Right in here, this is
gonna be my leverage spot

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and I’m just gonna bend it
with my fingers against that

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and it’s pretty easy to do.

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So I’m gonna stick, so the
hump is the pivot point

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so I need to bend off the hump, right?

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I call it a hump,

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I’m sure there’s a
technical name for that.

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So I put it into about to that spot,

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the hump’s kind of right here

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and then if I want to add tension

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I’m gonna have it oriented the
way it would normally go in

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and I’m gonna pull it towards me.

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Right?

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So that’s gonna add tension.

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If I want to decrease tension,

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which is uncommon but possible,

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I’m gonna flip it around 180
degrees, do the same thing.

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And you can feel it move.

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I mean, it does not take much.

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These are not that tough.

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It’s hard to probably gauge

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how much pressure I’m putting on here.

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I’m not doing enough to
really move it much now

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’cause I like the tension on this one

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but you can do it with
your finger right here,

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right on the range.

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In fact that last pull, I
probably pulled a little hard.

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It’s probably up a little bit.

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So let’s put it back together

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and see what the story is there.

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And then at the end of this,

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guys who have Aftecs are
probably fast forwarding here

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but I will show you

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how to tension the
spring steel extractors.

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All right, so you’ll have a different,

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you’ll be able to tell from this test

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whether or not you’ll
have a different result.

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It’s a little bit tighter, still okay.

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I’m okay with that.

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If you could never shake it off

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and you had to push it super
hard up on this breech face,

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there’s probably a
chance that it won’t feed

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but if your gun feeds,
keep ’em nice and tight,

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you’re fine.

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Again, if you get that it won’t come

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underneath the extractor so you look down.

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Your gun’s having a
malfunction, you look down

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and this is trapped underneath.

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It hasn’t started to come up
and the bullet’s tipped up,

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that’s your extractor is too tight

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or something else is stopping it

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from coming up the breech face.

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So on these spring steel versions

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and it’s not just the Aftec,

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any good spring steel
extractor, you can’t bend these

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with your hands, these are stout.

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So, gotta back up here and
we’ll look at the vice.

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The pivot point is right
about here on these

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so I’m gonna pinch it in
that spot in the vice,

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in front of that first hole.

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Now this is gonna seem barbaric

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but you’re gonna use
your persuader I call it.

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I’ve got a 12 ounce hammer here

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and we are gonna hit that
whichever way we need to go.

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Now the trick to this is
really just tapping it

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and watching and you’ll see it move.

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That one moved a little bit

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and once it moves, now you reset.

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So the tension on this one
wasn’t that terrible before

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so we might’ve gotten a little too far.

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These take a lot more to
adjust ’cause you need a vice

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and you need a little more time

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’cause you gotta tear ’em all out

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and the springs and all that.

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But it would be true if
we had a spring steel one

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without the springs, it’s
just that metal’s stiff,

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it’s stout.

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When the metal is working properly

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and those are made correctly,

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it’s a really, really good thing.

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It’s the way the original print calls for.

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It’s what we should be
running in every gun.

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They just, no one was
making ’em for a long time

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so you’re starting to see
companies like us realize

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that there’s no way around
it, those have to be made.

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So folks are gearing up to make those now.

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I’m sure there’s other folks
working on this same solution

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’cause for a lot of years the
Aftec was what was standard

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in all our guns.

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So Aftec back in that gun.

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Pay attention to your headstamp.

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They vary in size in 9mm
more than any other caliber

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so that can be an issue.

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If you’re running federal
at matches or whatever

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or primarily one kind or another,

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then set your tension to that

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and deal with the variances.

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Winchester tend to be the bigger ones.

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So that’s actually too tight, right?

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I can’t really shake it off

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and this is also the spring steel

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so that steel is a lot stiffer.

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So this is on the plus side.

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I would loosen that,

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this was perfect before I messed with it.

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I just tightened it a little
bit as I was going there

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so if you’ve got a spring steel extractor,

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whether it’s an Aftec
or something similar,

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and again, in 9mm there’s
nothing else right now

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on the market, but there will be.

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I’m sure we’re not the only ones,

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somebody else will have
it by the end of 2019.

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If you’re running a standard extractor

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which is pretty much every
other kind on the planet,

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then you can adjust it with your hand

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just in the back of the slide.

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These are super generic numbers

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so don’t take these to the bank

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but the Aftecs probably hold
tension for 15-20,000 rounds

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without needing any major adjustments.

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The spring steel ones,
it’s probably 5-10,000

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and they’re wanting.

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Oh tools, yep, yep.

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Cat’s here doing all the
hard work with the camera.

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She’s right, tool steel
here, spring steel here.

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Again, spring steel is rare

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but I wanted to show you how to adjust it.

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We have a lot of old
guns with the old Aftecs

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which work really well

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and you’ll see again, so
if you do own an Atlas gun

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and you happen to have a tool steel one,

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when the guns come in for annual service,

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we’ll update all the guns at some point

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to the new extractors when
we have ’em perfected.

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So probably sometime in
early 2020 that’s going on.

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Hope to see you guys on the range soon.

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The Ultimate 1911 and 2011 Extractor Tuning Video from Atlas Gunworks