The Ultimate 1911 and 2011 Extractor Tuning Video from Atlas Gunworks
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– [Adam] Hey everybody,
Adam from Atlas Gunworks.

We’re gonna talk a little
bit about extractors today.

Primarily we’re talking
about 9mm and 40 cal mods,

45 ACP, slightly different story there,

but generically what we’re
gonna talk about holds true.

So the extractors come in
two varieties basically.

There’s the old version,
the original version

is a spring steel that’s
supposed to be here

and then the newer versions,
most of them are made

out of tool steel, and the
spring steel is much stiffer

and holds its position a
lot better, a lot longer

but nobody’s really
making ’em in 9mm anymore.

So there’s some battles here
on keeping the two adjusted.

So ideally, in a perfect world,

we run spring steel.

This is an Aftec.

It’s the only spring steel
type extractor on the market.

It has some other features
with these springs

that are a little bit less important

but I’ll show you at the
end how to adjust that.

You’ll see it’s early 2019
you’ll see us come out,

Atlas Gunworks, with a 9mm
spring steel extractor.

Hopefully before the end of 2019,

we’re working hard on that right now.

And that should add a bunch
of reliability to the platform

especially in the nine major guns.

We used to use this one exclusively,

so I’ll show you how to
adjust this one at the end.

We don’t use it anymore

’cause we’ve had some problems with ’em.

And the new style, or the newer style,

which almost everyone, if
you bought any generic,

everyone I think except this one runs,

they’re just running tool steel

so it’d be made out of the same
material as the slide 4140.

I’ll actually show you
how to tension test this

before I tear it apart and
show you how to adjust the two.

Both of these are service items.

They’re both gonna need
some adjustment over time.

These are not something that you can set

and then forget it for 10
years or 100,000 rounds.

Remember that this part when
it sits in here is moving,

so the case is coming up underneath that

and that’s flexing out every time,

and that movement will eventually
reset somewhere different

than it was at some point

and it’ll need a little adjustment.

So the extractor tension test,

which we’ve got some other videos on,

but this one’s super important.

So anytime that I tear down a 1911,

I’m gonna do a quick
extractor tension test.

Take a round, preferably one
that’s not super beat up.

We don’t have any of those around here

but we’re gonna slide it like
it’s coming out of the mag

from underneath the breech face.

So I’m gonna come up underneath
flat and then slide it up.

I’m gonna hold it directly in the center

where it’s gonna be lined
up with the firing pinhole,

so that’s where it’s
gonna get when it held.

So remember this case
is gonna go in the gun.

It’s got the barrel’s gonna come,

it’s gonna come up into
the barrel, be fired,

and then we need the extractor
to yank the case out.

So the extractors have
a little hook on them

and they’re gonna pull on the case.

The tension left and right
here needs to be correct.

There’s a window where it operates.

If you’re too tight, when
the case comes up like this

from the mag, it’ll pinch it like that

and you’ll actually see
what’ll happen is it’ll pinch

like this and you’ll see
the bullet kind of tip up

and stovepipe up usually right up

into the top of the barrel.

So that’s too tight.

If it’s too loose, you’ll
slide this up here on the tass

and it’ll fall right out.

So the tass matters a little bit

which extractor style I have.

On the older ones, I need
a little bit less tension

than on the new ones.

So on the new ones, I wanna
put it on the breech face

just like I have it

and I’m gonna shake super hard

and if after six or seven
hard shakes it comes off,

that’s okay.

If it comes off before that,

we probably need to add a little tension.

When we’re doing it with the old style,

we probably are good if it stays on

for four or five shakes, let’s say.

That’s not super accurate,
you know, the different shakes

but it gives you an idea.

If you slide this case up
here and it falls right out,

then we know that we have normal zero

or zero extractor
tension, that’s a problem.

So remember that with both of
these it’s a moving target.

As you shoot this gun, if you
shoot a high pressure round

or as debris builds up in this tunnel,

it’s gonna affect how these move

so they do require adjustment over time.

It’s a serviceable part, we’ll say that.

So on the tool steel extractors,

what we’re running in the current guns,

so that’s anything made
by Wilson and Brown,

Brownells, any of the basic ones,

pretty much every one
except the Aftec and 9mm.

Again this is biased
towards nine and 45 ACP.

The adjustment for this is much simpler,

that’s the cool part.

So take your extractor out.

It’s pivoting off this hump, right?

And they both have a hump in ’em,

they’re just kinda different

but this hump is touching the
back end of the tunnel here

and then the hook’s coming in from there.

So this is our pivot point,
this area right here.

So what we’re gonna do is

we’re gonna use this part
of this slide right here,

I’ll try to hold this so you can see.

Right in here, this is
gonna be my leverage spot

and I’m just gonna bend it
with my fingers against that

and it’s pretty easy to do.

So I’m gonna stick, so the
hump is the pivot point

so I need to bend off the hump, right?

I call it a hump,

I’m sure there’s a
technical name for that.

So I put it into about to that spot,

the hump’s kind of right here

and then if I want to add tension

I’m gonna have it oriented the
way it would normally go in

and I’m gonna pull it towards me.


So that’s gonna add tension.

If I want to decrease tension,

which is uncommon but possible,

I’m gonna flip it around 180
degrees, do the same thing.

And you can feel it move.

I mean, it does not take much.

These are not that tough.

It’s hard to probably gauge

how much pressure I’m putting on here.

I’m not doing enough to
really move it much now

’cause I like the tension on this one

but you can do it with
your finger right here,

right on the range.

In fact that last pull, I
probably pulled a little hard.

It’s probably up a little bit.

So let’s put it back together

and see what the story is there.

And then at the end of this,

guys who have Aftecs are
probably fast forwarding here

but I will show you

how to tension the
spring steel extractors.

All right, so you’ll have a different,

you’ll be able to tell from this test

whether or not you’ll
have a different result.

It’s a little bit tighter, still okay.

I’m okay with that.

If you could never shake it off

and you had to push it super
hard up on this breech face,

there’s probably a
chance that it won’t feed

but if your gun feeds,
keep ’em nice and tight,

you’re fine.

Again, if you get that it won’t come

underneath the extractor so you look down.

Your gun’s having a
malfunction, you look down

and this is trapped underneath.

It hasn’t started to come up
and the bullet’s tipped up,

that’s your extractor is too tight

or something else is stopping it

from coming up the breech face.

So on these spring steel versions

and it’s not just the Aftec,

any good spring steel
extractor, you can’t bend these

with your hands, these are stout.

So, gotta back up here and
we’ll look at the vice.

The pivot point is right
about here on these

so I’m gonna pinch it in
that spot in the vice,

in front of that first hole.

Now this is gonna seem barbaric

but you’re gonna use
your persuader I call it.

I’ve got a 12 ounce hammer here

and we are gonna hit that
whichever way we need to go.

Now the trick to this is
really just tapping it

and watching and you’ll see it move.

That one moved a little bit

and once it moves, now you reset.

So the tension on this one
wasn’t that terrible before

so we might’ve gotten a little too far.

These take a lot more to
adjust ’cause you need a vice

and you need a little more time

’cause you gotta tear ’em all out

and the springs and all that.

But it would be true if
we had a spring steel one

without the springs, it’s
just that metal’s stiff,

it’s stout.

When the metal is working properly

and those are made correctly,

it’s a really, really good thing.

It’s the way the original print calls for.

It’s what we should be
running in every gun.

They just, no one was
making ’em for a long time

so you’re starting to see
companies like us realize

that there’s no way around
it, those have to be made.

So folks are gearing up to make those now.

I’m sure there’s other folks
working on this same solution

’cause for a lot of years the
Aftec was what was standard

in all our guns.

So Aftec back in that gun.

Pay attention to your headstamp.

They vary in size in 9mm
more than any other caliber

so that can be an issue.

If you’re running federal
at matches or whatever

or primarily one kind or another,

then set your tension to that

and deal with the variances.

Winchester tend to be the bigger ones.

So that’s actually too tight, right?

I can’t really shake it off

and this is also the spring steel

so that steel is a lot stiffer.

So this is on the plus side.

I would loosen that,

this was perfect before I messed with it.

I just tightened it a little
bit as I was going there

so if you’ve got a spring steel extractor,

whether it’s an Aftec
or something similar,

and again, in 9mm there’s
nothing else right now

on the market, but there will be.

I’m sure we’re not the only ones,

somebody else will have
it by the end of 2019.

If you’re running a standard extractor

which is pretty much every
other kind on the planet,

then you can adjust it with your hand

just in the back of the slide.

These are super generic numbers

so don’t take these to the bank

but the Aftecs probably hold
tension for 15-20,000 rounds

without needing any major adjustments.

The spring steel ones,
it’s probably 5-10,000

and they’re wanting.

Oh tools, yep, yep.

Cat’s here doing all the
hard work with the camera.

She’s right, tool steel
here, spring steel here.

Again, spring steel is rare

but I wanted to show you how to adjust it.

We have a lot of old
guns with the old Aftecs

which work really well

and you’ll see again, so
if you do own an Atlas gun

and you happen to have a tool steel one,

when the guns come in for annual service,

we’ll update all the guns at some point

to the new extractors when
we have ’em perfected.

So probably sometime in
early 2020 that’s going on.

Hope to see you guys on the range soon.

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The Ultimate 1911 and 2011 Extractor Tuning Video from Atlas Gunworks